Originally Posted by Brad26

Overview
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Up until this point, the long-available EBO EDITOR opens up certain ebos - 3d crowd models, arena - upper/lower bowl, jumbotron, etc.. but player models, cyberfaces and others could never be opened.

I came up with a theory and wouldn't you know it, it worked! Now I must say this is a tedious process, the editor itself is clumsy and difficult at times, sometimes you can't get the proper angle you want, etc..

However, at this point, it's better than nothing. I've successfully re-lengthen a player's nose with great results. I've done a few other things too, all with great results. With this discovery one can now make a glass update (as pics are shown in the thread link above), and other things. Now cyberface makers can reshape the eyes, bring them closer together, widen the jaw, pretty much anything you want. Not nearly as good as Oedit, but it's still something.

Please note that I have no computer knowledge at all so don't ask me to make this easier and/or better. In fact, I would like to get in touch with the author of this EBO Editor program in which he could modify it so all the steps necessary outlined below won't be necessary. If that doesn't happen, then this will have to do for now anyways.

If you're up to the task and can put up with the silly things involved, then read on:D And let's get this over with now - the pics you see will show I have Windows 2000, yeah, I know - old school :P

Theory
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Why does EBO EDITOR open up some ebos and not others? I have no idea.. but I thought what if I grabbed the verticle data from the cyber ebo file, and placed inside another one, in which EBO EDITOR will open.

That's it, that's the theory.

After finding out this works and dancing around the room, I needed to find an openable ebo file in which the verticles were far away from the center. Cyberface EBOS are dead center of the grid when opened. So I have settled on "crowd_2d.ebo". These verticles place where the 2d crowd will go, around the ice surface. Perfect. Far away from the center, where the cyber will be. Yes, temporarily you will be sharing your cyber ebo verticles with this other ebo file, you'll see both if you zoom out.

Then zoom in on the cyber verticles, make your changes, save, then exit. I then put the data I initially put into the "crowd_2d.ebo" file, and put it back into the ORIGINAL ebo file. Save, import.. fantastic successful results.

Weird, I know, but it works and with practice, it's getting easier and faster to do. The alternative is nothing

Details
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1. With a good Hex Editor - load up "crowd_2d.ebo", and also load up a cyber ebo file. Put the two side-by-side so you can see both files.

2. You want to put a portion of the cyber ebo into the crowd_2d one, so highlight, and copy lines 4656 - 12784, and paste them OVER TOP of the same lines in the crowd file. Save the file, I like to call it "mod.ebo"..

3. Enter Ebo Editor, and load up mod.ebo You will see exactly this at first:


4. Control 0 will zoom out. If you zoom FULLY OUT, you'll see both sets of verticles - the ones outlining the rink for the 2d crowd placement, and a blob in the center of it all, which is the newly imported cyberface verticles. As mentioned - it's a good one to use as a "host" - the crowd_2d, as the verticles are far away from the center, away from the cyberface.

Pretty cool eh?

5. Now if we didn't do a full zoom out like that, but instead zoomed out ten times from the start, you'll see something like this (it's different, but similar with every ebo I found so far)

6. Keep zooming in and see something like this:


7. Play around with the different angles the program allows:


8. And for the best one to move eyes closer together, nose bigger or smaller, mouth adjustments, etc... the front view. Now for some reason this particular model was a little more difficult to make out. Trust me that on others it's quite easy to. For example, for Iginla, the fac has an open mouth. The verticals I can clearly see that, clearly see the eyes, nose, everything.. better than this example. The chin in this example isn't well defined either, but you'll get the point:


9. Move the verticals however you want for the change. When you're done, SAVE.

10. Load up your hex editor, and bring side-by-side your modified ebo file and the ORIGINAL untouched one.

11. Highlight 4656 - 12784 once again, from the modified ebo file, copy and paste it overtop of the same lines, into the original untouched ebo file. Once done, save. Import it in the game and that is it!

It's extremely silly, a bit of a process, clumsy, etc.. but it works and that's all that matters. I will be modifying/tweaking my future cybers for more accuracy from now on with this. LH is interested in a realistic glass update and I'm willing to guide him with that, as I already found it easy (different lines to copy/paste), player models are possible..etc..etc.. stick curves maybe..

Originally Posted by Brad26

Things have been updated since that tutorial was posted, as well as I have recently, as of less than one week ago, discovered where and how to find and bring up the verticle placement on the actual FAC texture - very useful indeed for certain things. Also, I found a way to get rid of the white lines that connect the blue dots - making it really easy to make out features, on both the cyber model and the verticles on the texture.

But - use this all as a last resort. Most people don't use or need ebo editing - myself included - but it is very useful in doing things like bring the eyeballs closer together/farther apart, nose length and chin modifications, things like that.

Before this ebo thing came along, we all made cybers without, just by making the fac - and is still mostly done this way. A good cyberface maker can usually do without ebo editing. It definitely is a last resort thing.

You still want to find the best model possible. First and foremost.

Originally Posted by rolie

So is now possible to edit the UV map? Is it possible to share this newfound knowledge? I been trying to open up the UV map in the second version of ebo but to no avail.

Originally Posted by Brad26

Yes, cyberface UV mapping now discovered. I've been testing it on
several cyber EBO files all week - and I have about a 99% accuracy result -
there was only one that "didn't" work, it did, but the mapping was flipped sideways
on the fac. The rest worked perfectly.

Be warned though, it's even trickier - more tedius anyways, to get this to work.

Originally Posted by rolie

That is huge discovery! I don't mind trickier or tedious. I got this far might as well go all the way. Your finding would help in perfecting the alignment of things, (eyes noses,mouth ears) I also notice under the chin gets really distorted on some cybers.